{"id":9772,"date":"2020-06-13T16:23:18","date_gmt":"2020-06-13T16:23:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/fhug.org.uk\/kb\/?post_type=kb_article&#038;p=9772"},"modified":"2024-02-23T10:21:27","modified_gmt":"2024-02-23T10:21:27","slug":"sorting-children-spouses-facts-into-order","status":"publish","type":"kb_article","link":"https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/kb\/kb-article\/sorting-children-spouses-facts-into-order\/","title":{"rendered":"Sorting Children, Spouses &#038; Facts into Date Order"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2>Introduction<\/h2>\n<p>When you enter children of a marriage, <span class=\"fh\">Family Historian <\/span>\u00a0will retain the order of entry unless you tell it different; it does not automatically adjust the order, if each child Birth or Marriage is entered with a Date.<\/p>\n<p>For example in diagrams that contain a number of siblings (e.g. All Relatives Diagrams) the siblings appear in the order of entry. Similarly, spouses and facts will retain the order of entry unless you adjust them. Don&#8217;t be fooled by the Facts tab that by default lists facts in Date order regardless of their database order.<\/p>\n<div class=\"p\">\n<p><span style=\"color: #252525; font-size: 21px;\">Methods for Reordering<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<ul>\n<li>To re-order all out of sequence data in the Project including children, spouses &amp; facts, use <a href=\"#!\" class=\"cs_tooltip\" fhugtt=\"This is the menu across the top of the main Family Historian windows. The &gt; denotes a submenu\">Tools&nbsp&gt;&nbspRe-order&nbspOut-of-Sequence&nbspData<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>To do just one person&#8217;s family select them in the <em>Focus Window<\/em> or <em>Records Window<\/em> and press <em>F9<\/em> key or use <a href=\"#!\" class=\"cs_tooltip\" fhugtt=\"This is the menu across the top of the main Family Historian windows. The &gt; denotes a submenu\">Edit&nbsp&gt;&nbspRe-order&nbspEvents&nbspby&nbspDate<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>Alternatively, in their <em>Property Box<\/em> use the <em>Menu <\/em><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"cs_v alignnone lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/helpv6\/familyconnectionmapper_6.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"32\" height=\"20\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 32px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 32\/20;\" \/>\u00a0 button and choose <em>Sort Family and Events in Date Order<\/em>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>To manually re-sequence Children, use the curved up\/down arrows\u00a0<img decoding=\"async\" class=\"cs_v alignnone lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/helpv6\/editbookdialog_5.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"21\" height=\"20\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 21px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 21\/20;\" \/> <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"cs_v alignnone lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/helpv6\/editbookdialog_6.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"18\" height=\"20\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 18px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 18\/20;\" \/> top right of the Children list near the bottom of the Main tab of the <em>Property Box<\/em>, especially useful if you know the birth order, but not the dates<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>To manually re-sequence Spouses, use the curved up\/down arrows\u00a0<img decoding=\"async\" class=\"cs_v alignnone lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/helpv6\/editbookdialog_5.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"21\" height=\"20\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 21px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 21\/20;\" \/>\u00a0<img decoding=\"async\" class=\"cs_v alignnone lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/helpv6\/editbookdialog_6.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"18\" height=\"20\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 18px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 18\/20;\" \/> top right of the Spouse section in the middle of the Main tab of the <em>Property Box<\/em>, especially useful if you know the marriage order, but not the dates<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>To manually re-sequence Facts :\n<ul>\n<li>Use the curved up\/down arrows\u00a0<img decoding=\"async\" class=\"cs_v alignnone lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/helpv6\/editbookdialog_5.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"21\" height=\"20\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 21px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 21\/20;\" \/> <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"cs_v alignnone lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/helpv6\/editbookdialog_6.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"18\" height=\"20\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 18px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 18\/20;\" \/>top right of the <em>All Tab<\/em> of the <em>Property Box<\/em><\/li>\n<li>Use the Move Up\/Down black arrows\u00a0<img decoding=\"async\" class=\"cs_v alignnone lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/helpv6\/familyconnectionmapper_3.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"21\" height=\"20\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 21px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 21\/20;\" \/>\u00a0<img decoding=\"async\" class=\"cs_v alignnone lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/helpv6\/familyconnectionmapper_4.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"22\" height=\"20\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 22px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 22\/20;\" \/> on the toolbar at the bottom of the Facts list on the <em>Facts Tab<\/em> Facts within the same <a href=\"https:\/\/fhug.org.uk\/kb\/kb-article\/sorting-children-spouses-facts-into-order#normaltimeframe\">Normal Time Frame<\/a>, (V6 and later) but those arrows only become active after the Facts have been re-ordered using the commands above<\/li>\n<li>Beware that the automatic re-ordering commands above may disrupt such manual re-sequencing especially for dated Facts<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2><a id=\"normaltimeframe\"><\/a>What is the Normal Timeframe for Facts?<\/h2>\n<p>In many cases the &#8216;Normal Timeframe&#8217; (version 6 and later) will improve ordering.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"p\"><span class=\"de_CC7DAF531E\">Each fact is associated with an approximate\u00a0<span class=\"drex_highlight\">time<\/span>\u00a0<span class=\"drex_highlight\">frame<\/span>. This\u00a0<span class=\"drex_highlight\">time<\/span>\u00a0<span class=\"drex_highlight\">frame<\/span> is used for various purposes.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"p\"><span class=\"de_CC7DAF531E\">First, it is used to check for possible errors when dates are entered. Suppose, for example, you added &#8216;Conception&#8217; as a custom fact type and gave it the\u00a0<span class=\"drex_highlight\">time<\/span>\u00a0<span class=\"drex_highlight\">frame<\/span>\u00a0&#8220;Pre-Birth&#8221;. If you then entered a date of conception for a given person, which was after their recorded date of birth, you would be warned that the date looked inconsistent with the person&#8217;s birth date.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Some of the checks that are done when dates are entered make use not only of the known <span class=\"drex_highlight\">time<\/span>\u00a0<span class=\"drex_highlight\">frame<\/span>s for the relevant facts, but also estimates of the maximum likely life span for people, and their likely age at childbirth etc. These estimates can be altered in the &#8216;Estimates&#8217; tab of Preferences. For example, if a given fact has a\u00a0<span class=\"drex_highlight\">time<\/span>\u00a0<span class=\"drex_highlight\">frame<\/span>\u00a0of &#8216;post-marriage&#8217; (e.g. divorce), a warning will be given if you enter a divorce date for a person, that &#8211; taking their known date of birth into account &#8211; would mean that they would have to have got married at an age which is less than the estimated minimum age for marriage. For example, a warning would be given if the divorce date would mean that they got divorced aged 10, say. These warnings can be safely ignored if the dates, however unlikely they may appear, are in fact correct.<\/div>\n<div class=\"p\">\n<p><span class=\"drex_highlight\">Time<\/span>\u00a0<span class=\"drex_highlight\">frame<\/span>s may also be used when Family Historian orders events and attributes &#8211; for example, in reports, or in the Facts tab of the Property Box. Where ordering can be determined by dates alone, these will always be given priority. But suppose there is no date, or none that determines the ordering? For example, a person&#8217;s baptism, birth and death might all be recorded simply as 1910.\u00a0<span class=\"drex_highlight\">Time<\/span>\u00a0<span class=\"drex_highlight\">frame<\/span>s will be used to ensure that the birth is listed first, followed by the baptism, and then death.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"p\">\n<p>Finally, <span class=\"drex_highlight\">time<\/span>\u00a0<span class=\"drex_highlight\">frame<\/span>s are also used in the Facts tab of the Property Box, to determine whether or not age information should be calculated, if not provided. Age information is always calculated unless the\u00a0<span class=\"drex_highlight\">Time<\/span>\u00a0<span class=\"drex_highlight\">Frame<\/span> is Birth, Pre-Birth, Post-Death or none.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"p\">\n<p>From <a href=\"https:\/\/www.family-historian.co.uk\/help\/fh6\/hh_start.htm#factdefinitiondialog.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Fact Definition Dialog<\/a>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"template":"","fh_version":[13,14,15,739],"skill_level":[18,17,16],"topic":[201,85],"class_list":["post-9772","kb_article","type-kb_article","status-publish","hentry","fh_version-v4","fh_version-v5","fh_version-v6","fh_version-v7","skill_level-advanced","skill_level-intermediate","skill_level-newcomer","topic-facts","topic-family-relationships"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/kb_article\/9772","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/kb_article"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/kb_article"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=9772"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"fh_version","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/fh_version?post=9772"},{"taxonomy":"skill_level","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/skill_level?post=9772"},{"taxonomy":"topic","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/topic?post=9772"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}