{"id":11495,"date":"2020-09-12T11:59:29","date_gmt":"2020-09-12T11:59:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/fhug.org.uk\/kb\/?post_type=kb_article&#038;p=11495"},"modified":"2024-02-22T11:23:31","modified_gmt":"2024-02-22T11:23:31","slug":"family-historian-birth-death-informant-other-witness-roles","status":"publish","type":"kb_article","link":"https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/kb\/kb-article\/family-historian-birth-death-informant-other-witness-roles\/","title":{"rendered":"Family Historian Birth &amp; Death Informant &amp; Other Witness Roles"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2>Introduction<\/h2>\n<p>Family Historian V6 introduced Fact Witnesses and Ancestral Sources can optionally use them to record the Informant of a Birth or Death event. However, it is not made clear that the Informant Witness Role must be defined in Family Historian.<\/p>\n<p>Ancestral Sources also offers the option to include Associated Individuals on the Further Info tab, but again it is not made clear that an equivalent Witness Role must be defined in <span class=\"fh\" style=\"font-size: 17px !important; line-height: 21.4286px !important;\">\u0192<span style=\"color:#73B262; font-weight: bold;\">h<\/span><\/span>, although in this case, unlike the Informant Witness Role, some are already defined at installation.<\/p>\n<h2>Birth &amp; Death Informant<\/h2>\n<p>At installation, <span class=\"fh\" style=\"font-size: 17px !important; line-height: 21.4286px !important;\">\u0192<span style=\"color:#73B262; font-weight: bold;\">h<\/span><\/span> does not include an Informant Witness Role. To use Ancestral Sources to record the Informant of a Birth or Death event, one must be defined in <span class=\"fh\" style=\"font-size: 17px !important; line-height: 21.4286px !important;\">\u0192<span style=\"color:#73B262; font-weight: bold;\">h<\/span><\/span> to allow the features to operate correctly.<\/p>\n<p>Without that definition, the\u00a0Facts\u00a0tab of the\u00a0Informant\u00a0just displays\u00a0Birth\u00a0or\u00a0Death\u00a0without any further details, and the\u00a0Narrative Sentence\u00a0has no\u00a0Template\u00a0to correct its wording. This is confusing as the example below shows, with the word\u00a0Death\u00a0being displayed in the\u00a0Facts\u00a0tab dated Dec 1998 for a person still living 20 years later. The\u00a0Sentence\u00a0text further down is correct (although the grammar has not been corrected).<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-11496 lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/deathinformantrole.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"366\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/deathinformantrole.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/deathinformantrole-300x183.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/deathinformantrole-150x92.jpg 150w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 600px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 600\/366;\" \/><\/p>\n<h3 id=\"define_informant_witness_role\" class=\"sectionedit4\">Define Informant Witness Role<\/h3>\n<div class=\"level3\">\n<p>To define an\u00a0Informant Witness Role\u00a0in\u00a0<span class=\"fh\"><span class=\"fh\" style=\"font-size: 17px !important; line-height: 21.4286px !important;\">\u0192<span style=\"color:#73B262; font-weight: bold;\">h<\/span><\/span><\/span>\u00a0follow these steps:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">Use\u00a0Tools &gt; Fact Types, select the\u00a0Birth\u00a0or\u00a0Death\u00a0event, and click\u00a0Edit\u00a0to open a\u00a0Fact Definition\u00a0dialogue.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">In the\u00a0Sentence Template: optionally add\u00a0 <code>. &lt;The birth\/death was registered by {role=informant}.&gt;<\/code><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">Some\u00a0Witness Roles\u00a0may exist but not\u00a0Informant, so click\u00a0Roles\u00a0and then\u00a0Add\u00a0to open a\u00a0New Role\u00a0dialogue.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">Enter\u00a0Role Name:\u00a0as\u00a0Informant.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">Enter\u00a0Past Tense:\u00a0as\u00a0Informed.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">In the\u00a0Witness Sentence Template:\u00a0change\u00a0a\u00a0to\u00a0an\u00a0so it will read &#8220;\u2026 an Informant \u2026&#8221;.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">Finally click the\u00a0Create\u00a0button, then\u00a0Close,\u00a0OK,\u00a0Close.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>An\u00a0Informant Witness Role\u00a0needs to created in\u00a0<span class=\"fh\"><span class=\"fh\" style=\"font-size: 17px !important; line-height: 21.4286px !important;\">\u0192<span style=\"color:#73B262; font-weight: bold;\">h<\/span><\/span><\/span>\u00a0for both the\u00a0Birth\u00a0and\u00a0Death\u00a0events.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<h4 id=\"facts_tab_format\"><a id=\"factstabformat\"><\/a>Facts Tab Format<\/h4>\n<div class=\"level4\">\n<p>With the above definition the\u00a0Facts\u00a0tab for the\u00a0Informant\u00a0will say\u00a0Informed Birth\/Death of\u2026<\/p>\n<p>That can be customised by selecting the\u00a0Informant\u00a0role and using the\u00a0Edit\u00a0and\u00a0Advanced\u00a0buttons to create an\u00a0Override Template, e.g. To mimic the\u00a0<a class=\"wikilink1\" title=\"glossary:facts\" href=\"https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/wiki\/doku.php?id=glossary:facts#timeline_facts\">Timeline Facts<\/a>\u00a0that say just\u00a0Birth\/Death of\u2026\u00a0then use the\u00a0Template:<\/p>\n<p><code>Birth\/Death of {=Relationship(%CUR~WITN&gt;%,GetRecord(%FACT%),TEXT,1)}<\/code><br \/>\n<code>\u00a0{=FieldText(GetRecord(%FACT%),'INDI.NAME:FIRST')}<\/code><\/p>\n<p>See the Forum thread <a href=\"https:\/\/fhug.org.uk\/forum\/viewtopic.php?&t=15297\">Birth of son not recorded<\/a> September 2017.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<h3 id=\"other_considerations\" class=\"sectionedit5\">Other Considerations<\/h3>\n<div class=\"level3\">\n<p>Strictly speaking the\u00a0Informant\u00a0registration is a different event from the\u00a0Birth\u00a0or\u00a0Death\u00a0itself. It usually happens on a different\u00a0Date\u00a0at a different\u00a0Place\u00a0and\u00a0Address. So rather than use an\u00a0Informant Witness Role, it may be better to use a\u00a0Custom Event\u00a0where those different details can be recorded.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<h2 id=\"associated_individuals_in_ancestral_sources\" class=\"sectionedit6\">Associated Individuals in Ancestral Sources<\/h2>\n<div class=\"level2\">\n<p>The need for matching\u00a0Witness Roles\u00a0in\u00a0<span class=\"fh\"><span class=\"fh\" style=\"font-size: 17px !important; line-height: 21.4286px !important;\">\u0192<span style=\"color:#73B262; font-weight: bold;\">h<\/span><\/span><\/span>\u00a0also applies to all\u00a0Associated Individuals\u00a0in\u00a0Ancestral Sources. Many\u00a0Associations\u00a0are installed by default in\u00a0Ancestral Sources\u00a0but there may not be a corresponding\u00a0Witness Role\u00a0in\u00a0<span class=\"fh\"><span class=\"fh\" style=\"font-size: 17px !important; line-height: 21.4286px !important;\">\u0192<span style=\"color:#73B262; font-weight: bold;\">h<\/span><\/span><\/span>. For every\u00a0Association\u00a0that you wish to use (or create) in\u00a0Ancestral Sources\u00a0a corresponding\u00a0Witness Role needs to exist in <span class=\"fh\" style=\"font-size: 17px !important; line-height: 21.4286px !important;\">\u0192<span style=\"color:#73B262; font-weight: bold;\">h<\/span><\/span> before you can use it properly.<\/p>\n<p>The full list of\u00a0Further Info Associated Individual Roles is as follows where those marked ** are defaults in\u00a0<span class=\"fh\"><span class=\"fh\" style=\"font-size: 17px !important; line-height: 21.4286px !important;\">\u0192<span style=\"color:#73B262; font-weight: bold;\">h<\/span><\/span><\/span>:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">Birth\u00a0~<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">Baptism ~ **Godparent, **Minister, **Priest, Rabbi<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">Marriage ~ **Best man, **Bridesmaid, **Minister, **Priest, **Rabbi, **Witness<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">Death ~ Mourner, Minister, Priest, Rabbi, **Witness<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">Burial ~ **Mourner, **Minister, **Priest, **Rabbi, Witness, **Attender<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">Cremation ~ **Mourner, **Minister, **Priest, **Rabbi, Witness, **Attender<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>To use\u00a0Ancestral Sources\u00a0properly for these other\u00a0Roles, you need to create an equivalent\u00a0Witness Role in <span class=\"fh\" style=\"font-size: 17px !important; line-height: 21.4286px !important;\">\u0192<span style=\"color:#73B262; font-weight: bold;\">h<\/span><\/span>.<\/p>\n<p>A\u00a0Witness Role needs to be created in <span class=\"fh\" style=\"font-size: 17px !important; line-height: 21.4286px !important;\">\u0192<span style=\"color:#73B262; font-weight: bold;\">h<\/span><\/span> for every\u00a0Fact\u00a0Type that it will be used with, so that for example, if you wish to use the\u00a0Further Info Associated Individual Role\u00a0of\u00a0Rabbi, you would need to create a\u00a0Witness Role\u00a0titled\u00a0Rabbi\u00a0in\u00a0<span class=\"fh\"><span class=\"fh\" style=\"font-size: 17px !important; line-height: 21.4286px !important;\">\u0192<span style=\"color:#73B262; font-weight: bold;\">h<\/span><\/span><\/span>\u00a0in both the\u00a0Baptism\u00a0&amp;\u00a0Death\u00a0Facts.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<h3 id=\"define_witness_role\" class=\"sectionedit7\">Define Witness Role<\/h3>\n<div class=\"level3\">\n<p>To define any\u00a0Witness Role in <span class=\"fh\" style=\"font-size: 17px !important; line-height: 21.4286px !important;\">\u0192<span style=\"color:#73B262; font-weight: bold;\">h<\/span><\/span> follow these steps:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">Use\u00a0Tools &gt; Fact Types, select the relevant event, and click\u00a0Edit\u00a0to open a\u00a0Fact Definition\u00a0dialogue.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">In the\u00a0Sentence Template:\u00a0optionally add such as\u00a0<code>&lt;The ceremony was conducted by {role=minister}. &gt;<\/code>\u00a0by copying the template used in other facts that have the same\u00a0Role\u00a0defined by default.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">Some\u00a0Witness Roles\u00a0may already exist, but click\u00a0Roles\u00a0and then\u00a0Add\u00a0to open a\u00a0New Role\u00a0dialogue.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">Enter\u00a0Role Name:\u00a0matching the\u00a0Associated Individual\u00a0option.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">Enter\u00a0Past Tense:\u00a0as appropriate.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">In the\u00a0Witness Sentence Template:\u00a0the default wording will appear as:<br \/>\n<code>{individual} was a {role name} at {label} of {principal} {date} {place}<\/code><br \/>\nIf necessary change that so it will read correctly. Mimic the template used in other facts that have the same\u00a0Role\u00a0defined by default.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"level1\">\n<div class=\"li\">Click the\u00a0Create\u00a0button, then\u00a0Close,\u00a0OK,\u00a0Close.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>The\u00a0<a class=\"wikilink1\" title=\"ancestralsources:family_historian_birth_death_informant_witness_role \u21b5\" href=\"#factstabformat\">Facts Tab Format<\/a>\u00a0can also be adjusted similar to\u00a0Informants\u00a0above.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<h3 id=\"other_considerations1\" class=\"sectionedit8\">Other Considerations<\/h3>\n<div class=\"level3\">\n<p>Other options are available to capture additional person\/people information using\u00a0Ancestral Sources\u00a0and some users may prefer to use\u00a0Ancestral Sources\u00a0to create a\u00a0Custom Event\/Attribute, an\u00a0Associated Person, or a simple\u00a0Note\u00a0by using the\u00a0Ancestral Sources\u00a0Edit\u2026\u00a0<a class=\"wikilink1\" title=\"ancestralsources:tutorial:templates:associated_individual_types\" href=\"https:\/\/fhug.org.uk\/kb\/kb-article\/ancestral-sources-tutorial-working-with-templates\/\">Associated Individual Types<\/a>\u00a0dialogue.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"template":"","fh_version":[13,14,15,739],"skill_level":[17,16],"topic":[64,736],"class_list":["post-11495","kb_article","type-kb_article","status-publish","hentry","fh_version-v4","fh_version-v5","fh_version-v6","fh_version-v7","skill_level-intermediate","skill_level-newcomer","topic-entering-data","topic-using-ancestral-sources"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/kb_article\/11495","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/kb_article"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/kb_article"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=11495"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"fh_version","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/fh_version?post=11495"},{"taxonomy":"skill_level","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/skill_level?post=11495"},{"taxonomy":"topic","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.fhug.org.uk\/kb\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/topic?post=11495"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}