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FamilySearch Id

Post by sbell95 » 07 Oct 2021 21:32

As I understand it, Family Historian does not currently synch or work with FamilySearch at all. And yet when I was digging through the Data Reference Assistant (customising my property box), I noticed that under the 'Miscellaneous' folder there is an option for 'FamilySearch Id'. What would be the purpose of this? Is it for manually storing the FamilySearch Id of a person? Is there any utility in filling out this field for everyone in my tree who also has a FamilySearch Family Tree profile? How can this be used in the program, if at all?
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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by Gowermick » 08 Oct 2021 05:34

FH is based around the Gedcom standard, and as this was originated by the Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS or Mormons), who also own Familysearch, it is no surprise this item is there. I think you’ll find lots of other LDS related items in there somewhere e.g.’Initiatory’ or 'Mission', part of LDS’ religious procedures. I’m making an educated guess here. :D
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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by tatewise » 08 Oct 2021 09:10

I believe that FamilySearchId field (_FSID) is new in FH v7.
It is NOT in the GEDCOM specification, which is confirmed by the leading underscore on the _FSID tag showing it is a custom tag.
As the description box at the bottom says:
"FamilySearch Id for Individual record matched to FamilySearch Family Tree"
%INDI._FSID%

FH provides no other information in its Help pages. I think it is a purely manually cross-reference aid.
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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by ColeValleyGirl » 08 Oct 2021 09:57

Have you tried entering data in it, Mike? It isn't possible...

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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by AdrianBruce » 08 Oct 2021 10:16

Wild guess - importing from (or to?) those apps that do interface / sync with FS Family Tree?
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Post by tatewise » 08 Oct 2021 10:44

No, I had not tried entering a FamilySearch Id manually.
So it behaves similar to the Automated Record Id that also prevents manual updates.

However, they both allow a Plugin to create or amend their values.

Perhaps we need to ask CP about its intended purpose as there is nothing in the Help pages?

Re: Adrian's suggestion ~ Is it a field tag (_FSID) that anyone has encountered in another product?
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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by nebbm » 08 Oct 2021 12:11

1 _FSFTID - Rootsmagic, Legacy, Heredis
1 FSID - FTM2019
previously discussed @ LDS AFN (17861)
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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by Mark1834 » 08 Oct 2021 12:44

If it's supported by RM and Legacy, it should come across in a direct import. Do we know if that's the case?
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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by nebbm » 08 Oct 2021 13:22

Mark1834 wrote:
08 Oct 2021 12:44
If it's supported by RM and Legacy, it should come across in a direct import. Do we know if that's the case?
No to direct import
only via gedcom

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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by tatewise » 08 Oct 2021 14:50

I don't see how it can be via GEDCOM if the tags posted earlier are accurate.
What will get imported will be the RM/Legacy/Heredis _FSFTID tag and not the FH _FSID tag, because FH does not usually alter imported tags.
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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by nebbm » 08 Oct 2021 15:22

tatewise wrote:
08 Oct 2021 14:50
What will get imported will be the RM/Legacy/MyHeritage _FSFTID tag and not the FH _FSID tag, because FH does not usually alter imported tags.
Correct , it doesn't alter the tag, but it does import it from exported files from RM/Legacy/FTM2019/Heredis.

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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by tatewise » 08 Oct 2021 17:05

So, just to be absolutely clear, no known product import to Family Historian creates the _FSID tag.
Therefore, there is still no explanation for the new _FSID tag existence.
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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by Mark1834 » 08 Oct 2021 18:21

I can confirm by direct experiment that the field exported by RM as _FSFTID is stored internally in the FamilySearchTable with the name fsID. The same table stores the RM RecordID (equivalent to the FH Record ID) in a field called rmID, and rows exist only for those records matched to FamilySearch. It seems certain then that this corresponds to the FamilySearch ID value. As far as I can tell, it is not accessible from the normal program interface, as users would have no reason to change or enter data directly.

My interpretation is that FH are doing the groundwork to prepare for a future sync with FamilySearch (FH 7.1 ?). Whether it was simply an accidental omission not to include this field in a direct RM input, or deliberate to avoid showing their hand too early is anybody's guess (and any forum users who know probably aren't telling anyway ;)).

Whatever the explanation, it would be a very short and simple plugin to fetch across the FamilySearch IDs from RM that the import left behind, and store them in the new FamilySearch ID field. You'd then have a flying start to carrying on with FamilySearch where you left off in RM once the facility is fully enabled.

If it is needed, I'm happy to compile and post the plugin over the weekend.
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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by BEJ » 13 Oct 2021 12:09

FYI: I manually entered FamilySearch IDs in FH6, and can still edit them in FH7.
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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by tatewise » 13 Oct 2021 12:24

BEJ, that is something very different.
The new FH v7 field is %INDI._FSID% and is NOT a fact.
Yours is %INDI._ATTR-FAMILYSEARCH_ID% which is a custom attribute that I guess you created years ago.
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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by BEJ » 13 Oct 2021 12:47

OK, thanks. Just checking.

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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by arnoldijzermans » 13 Oct 2021 17:34

Mark1834 wrote:
08 Oct 2021 18:21


Whatever the explanation, it would be a very short and simple plugin to fetch across the FamilySearch IDs from RM that the import left behind, and store them in the new FamilySearch ID field. You'd then have a flying start to carrying on with FamilySearch where you left off in RM once the facility is fully enabled.

If it is needed, I'm happy to compile and post the plugin over the weekend.
That would actually be quite nice.
I do quite a lot with FamilySearch. Nevertheless, FH supported me more than RM.....

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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by LeslieP » 13 Oct 2021 19:35

Can't speak for how the "direct RM import" brings things across, but the GEDCOM import from RM contained the _FSFTID fact type, which was identified as UDF.

I used the Change Any Fact Tag plugin to change them from UDF to a custom fact I created, now I have the FS ID show up on the fact tab.
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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by Mark1834 » 13 Oct 2021 20:04

Leslie, that’s exactly the scenario Mike described earlier. You have converted the UDF field to a custom fact called FamilySearchID, but it is not the actual FH FamilySearchID. You can display it, but any future FH update won’t be able to do anything with it. To convert the UDF to the true FamilySearchID, you need a separate plugin (albeit a very simple one).
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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by tatewise » 13 Oct 2021 20:18

The next version of the Change Any Fact Tag plugin will support FamilySearch Id (INDI._FSID) and Unique Id (INDI._UID).
I'm sorry they were not included earlier but I didn't notice those FH v7 updates until recently.

Then Leslie and BEJ could convert their custom attribute facts to genuine FamilySearch Id _FSID.
With an imported RM project the _FSFTID UDF could be converted directly to FamilySearch Id _FSID.
Other users could create Custom Id holding the FS Id and then convert them to FamilySearch Id _FSID.
Whether that falls within the scope of what CP intended for that field is anyone's guess.
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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by LeslieP » 13 Oct 2021 21:30

Whether that falls within the scope of what CP intended for that field is anyone's guess.
Yep. ;) I recall noticing that "future magic" field before I did my final import from RM, it made me happy to see! Also having seen CP's comment about having Internet Data Matches with more providers, I was hopeful it meant that they were laying the groundwork for matches to FS. Hope yet remains!

I don't even want anything all that sophisticated. I would be over the moon happy with a special type of fact that lets the user define URL pre- and post- fixing so that we enter the unique part, and then the description field becomes the entire clickable URL.

That would let us go beyond JUST linking to FMP, MH, FS, Ancestry and be able to link to pages on our own websites, wikitree, findagrave, wikipedia, etc.
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Re: FamilySearch Id

Post by tatewise » 13 Oct 2021 22:01

Leslie, I have started a new Facts with active URL (19889) thread to discuss your Fact URL request.
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