* Exporting Source Citation Media to FTM/Ancestry

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Exporting Source Citation Media to FTM/Ancestry

Post by MFriend » 19 Jul 2021 00:07

Hi Mike:

This continues the discussion from Splitting lumped Generic or Templated sources by plugin (19438).

Instead of pasting a whole bunch of photos I made a very short video to show the changes before and after the conversion from lumped to separate sources, what it looks like in FTM , and the final result on Ancestry. It looks like the majority of info is uploaded in some form to Ancestry, the main issue it seems is the Citation media. FTM doesn't / won't upload media attached to the source, but does upload citation media. If there was a way to keep the media link as a citation media link that would fix issue I think pretty much on Ancestry. Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BFMYLDbTGA I cut out all the waiting parts so it goes pretty quick....

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Re: Exporting Source Citation Media to FTM/Ancestry

Post by tatewise » 19 Jul 2021 10:05

Unfortunately, your video does not appear to explore where the Media appears in FTM and that is the crucial step.
If the Export Gedcom File plugin can resolve that process then synchronising with Ancestry should follow OK.

In my previous tests, the plugin did copy the Media items linked to the Source Record down into each of its Citations.
I cannot afford to purchase FTM so rely on feedback from FTM users like yourself to check such features.
However, I have now reviewed this feature in the plugin since updating for FH V7 and there seems to be a mistake.

Please try the attached Export Gedcom File Plugin Version 4.5.3 Date 19 Jul 2021 in a ZIP file.

You may need to use the Reset these FTM+ Options buttons on the three Options tabs.
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Re: Exporting Source Citation Media to FTM/Ancestry

Post by MFriend » 19 Jul 2021 22:19

Hi Mike:
The export plugin does appear to be linking the media to the source (which is fine in FTM but won't upload to Ancestry) and links to the Citation. So both of the media tabs below show the media. The upload to Ancestry uploads the citation media now (so the media upload issue is fixed). Also I have included in the pic below so you can see the fields that are filled in, in the source, and how those are filled in on Ancestry:
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On Ancestry:
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The only 'issue' is that since the links are no longer part of the citation weblink (which is clickable on ancestry) they "Weblink: " and the last " at the end of the link are not removed. Folks could still copy the link and paste it, it just adds an extra step.

What I'm saying is that the links end up in the Source like this:
Weblink: "https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-co ... 60451:6742"
instead of a normal link: https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-co ... 60451:6742

Your export plugin has a ton of features so maybe there is a way to clean it up already.

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Re: Exporting Source Citation Media to FTM/Ancestry

Post by tatewise » 20 Jul 2021 10:21

I think this is related to the Settings Question for Citation Notes when Exporting to FTM 2019 (19562).
That worked perfectly when the Citation local rich text Note held the Weblink: "URL" which was exported in the _LINK tag.

But now after splitting the lumped Source Citations, the Weblink is not in the Citation local Note, but in the Source Record.
What you are seeing in the FTM Note and Ancestry Comments is the plain text conversion of that Source Record local Note.

In the video you posted yesterday, there are three Weblink: "URL" entries in the Ancestry Comments.
Can you explain how that happens, because I thought FTM Citations only had one _LINK URL?

So we need to discuss how best to adjust the Source Record fields and the Citation fields when exporting to FTM 2019.
The solution must not only accommodate your scenario where you have just split the lumped Source Citations, but also any other scenario where split Source Citations are created by any other method.

Maybe, as well as Media, any Weblink Note entries in the Source Record should be copied to each associated Citation.
There they should get converted to _LINK URL, although currently it only copes with one Weblink: "URL" per Note.
So it seems it may need extending to cope with multiple Weblinks?
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Re: Exporting Source Citation Media to FTM/Ancestry

Post by MFriend » 20 Jul 2021 14:52

Hi Mike:

Yes, when moving the citation note to FTM into the "Web Address" only one address can fit/work. Whatever is in that Citation web address field becomes is uploaded to the clickable web address field on Ancestry:
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There were a few cases (not many I think) where I had for some reason copied the URL from the citation note (which becomes the Web Address in FTM and Ancestry) to the Citation Details: Text From source field in FH (I changed the name of the field label to "Citation Text" but I don't think that makes a difference).

After exporting from FH7 using your plugin it is easy to go in and do a search and replace to remove all the Weblink: " to remove the weblink part and the first quotation mark. The hard part is knowing how to remove the final " at the end of the url. Any URL's that are not in the citation Web Address are not clickable, but removing the extra "" and Weblink would make it easier for people viewing the sources to copy and paste the url (and make it look a little better).

I don't know how hard it would be to do, but if there was an easy way to just convert any url that has the Weblink code to just the url regardless of field in the source or citation on export that would be good.

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Re: Exporting Source Citation Media to FTM/Ancestry

Post by tatewise » 20 Jul 2021 16:00

By way of explanation, the Weblink: "Web-Address" Display-Text format was designed to cope with rich text web links that have both a URL web address and separate display text and clearly differentiate one from the other.

I think it would be just as valid to use the format Weblink: Web-Address "Display-Text" instead, especially as the URL web address does not usually contain any space characters.
That change would be very easy and could apply to every target product and not just FTM.

It would also be feasible to copy the 1st Weblink from the Source Record to each associated Citation as a _LINK URL.
That would be a special case for FTM alongside the copying of Media.

Let me mull it over for a while...
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Re: Exporting Source Citation Media to FTM/Ancestry

Post by tatewise » 20 Jul 2021 19:22

P.S.
I have just realised why the plugin uses Weblink: "Web-Address" Display-Text format.
The URL is unconditional, so there is always a Web-Address to surround with string quotes.
The Display-Text is optional so if omitted from the above format there is no side-effect.

But with the format Weblink: Web-Address "Display-Text" if there is no Display-Text it becomes Weblink: Web-Address "" and needs a subsequent process to remove the redundant pair of string quotes.
It is not too difficult to do, but explains my original choice of format.
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Re: Exporting Source Citation Media to FTM/Ancestry

Post by tatewise » 21 Jul 2021 13:06

Try the attached Export Gedcom File Plugin Version 4.5.4 Date 21 Jul 2021 in a ZIP file.

This implements the earlier ideas of removing the string quotes from Weblink: "URL" and copying Source Record first URL to its Citation _LINK URL in order to work better in FTM and Ancestry.
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Re: Exporting Source Citation Media to FTM/Ancestry

Post by MFriend » 21 Jul 2021 14:51

Thank you Mike for your hard work on this :)

I think it is all good now:
1. The source link is copied perfectly to the citation weblink field.
2. The source media is linked to the citation which allows the media to be uploaded to Ancestry.
3. The citation link is clickable and works on Ancestry.

The plugin does remove the quotation marks from most of the Weblink: " links (I saw a couple that it didn't but that was because there were multiple links jammed together without proper spacing). The Weblink: that is left is easily removed by doing a simple search and replace in the gedcom after the export so I think we are all good now :)

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Re: Exporting Source Citation Media to FTM/Ancestry

Post by tatewise » 21 Jul 2021 14:56

OK, I'll let things settle for a while, but all the recent updates will appear in the next published version in the Plugin Store.

Back in the Splitting lumped Generic or Templated sources by plugin (19438) thread, please let Mark know that your request to keep Citation details when splitting using his Plugin is no longer relevant and explain why.
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