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Uninstall Version 7 and revert to Version 6

Post by goodwin2 » 19 Jan 2021 11:06

I'm sad to say that while I was looking forward to the new Version 7, purchased and installed it but now find that it really doesn't fit the way I prefer to add sources, notes, etc.

So my question is how do I uninstall it and get back to the last Version 6 without losing the data that I have entered with Version 7?

I hope this will be EASILY accomplished. Have been using FH since version 3 want to continue.

Thanks for any help.
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Re: Uninstall Version 7 and revert to Version 6

Post by johnmorrisoniom » 19 Jan 2021 11:31

I have continued to work with FH7 almost exactly the way I did with FH6. I am not touching templated sources. So it may be worth persevering

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Re: Uninstall Version 7 and revert to Version 6

Post by tatewise » 19 Jan 2021 11:36

As John says, what is preventing you from working the way you did before?
Generic sources, citations & notes work essentially the same as they did in FH V6.
Also, there are many other enhancements in FH V7 that are worth having.

However, if convinced you wish to revert, what backups have you got for FH V6?

Have you a Full Project Backup ZIP file for every Project taken just before you upgraded to FH V7?

Have you a backup of all your custom settings & preferences taken just before you upgraded to FH V7?
i.e. Did you use the Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings plugin?

Have you got your FH V6 installation media (download or CD) with its licence key?
If that was an upgrade from FH V5 then you will also need the FH V5 licence key.
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Re: Uninstall Version 7 and revert to Version 6

Post by jbtapscott » 19 Jan 2021 13:00

I concur with John on this - I too have carried on working in much the same way as before I upgraded to V7. I will, in time, start looking at some of changes / "improvements", but for now things like Source Templates are of no interest to me as I input my BBMDB and Census stuff through Ancestral Sources and this allows me to keep consistent capture. For anything else I just copy / paste - this has worked for me for years and I see, so far, no real reason to change that approach.

I suspect though that you will have trouble if you want move back to V6 with stuff you have entered through V7 - as Mike says, you can get back to your "old" V6 Gedcom and setting assuming you have the relevant backups, but as I understand it V7 has changes to the baseline Gedcom and I doubt these would be backwardly compatible.
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Re: Uninstall Version 7 and revert to Version 6

Post by tatewise » 19 Jan 2021 13:20

The Export Gedcom File plugin does a good job of converting a Project back to an FH V6 compatible GEDCOM.
But that will not restore your FH V6 settings & customisations, etc.
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Re: Uninstall Version 7 and revert to Version 6

Post by dewilkinson » 19 Jan 2021 14:37

As others have said you can carry on working just as before, as I have done. The only real difference is the floating Citation window which annoys me, but I just have it on the right hand side so it is equivalent to how it was. I would advise persevering with FH7 as the extra bits such as spell checking of notes are advantageous. Things like templated citations can remain unused unless you really want to start using them (I don't).
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Re: Uninstall Version 7 and revert to Version 6

Post by goodwin2 » 16 Feb 2021 11:40

Mike, I was encouraged to see the Export Gedcom File plug in does a good job of converting back to V6. I didn't do any custom settings that I recall - have had V6 for quite some time - so that should not be an issue for me.

I am frankly petrified to do this uninstall as I have 20 years of research and over 67,000 in the database along with a large number of media items.

While I do a backup every time I exit FH, I usually do a small one. As I review my backups the most recent (min) backup of FH6 was late Nov. and I installed V7 on Jan. 11.

If I do the following in the order described, will I get back to where I was before the installation of V7?

Uninstall V7
Reinstall V6 - I have the disc and everything needed to do so
Open FH V6
Go to the latest backup of V6 and activate it - zip file and any extra required?

What then should I expect to see?

Please keep the instructions simple so I can be sure I will be doing the right thing and not make a major mistake.

Thanks for your help.
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Re: Uninstall Version 7 and revert to Version 6

Post by tatewise » 16 Feb 2021 13:40

A crucial consideration is backups of your Media files.
Since you only create FH Small Backups (GEDCOM file only) those ZIP files will NOT include any Media files.

Also, there is a big gap between Nov 2020 and now, so if you have updated your Project between Nov 2020 and now, there is no FH V6 backup of that new data and no backup of any new Media files added in those months. That worries me!

I was going to suggest that you delete your Project(s) before uninstalling FH V7.
BUT that would delete all your Media files which would be a disaster if you don't have Media backups.
The reason for suggesting that deletion is to remove the FH V7 GEDCOM files that will confuse FH V6.

So we need to agree on a strategy for retaining Media files but reverting to an FH V6 GEDCOM without losing data.
I am nervous about such a process with no FH V6 Full Project Backups taken in Jan 2021.

To install FH V6 you will need the FH V6 installation CD, and its licence key, and the FH V5 licence key.
( I am assuming you upgraded from FH V5 to FH V6 with a discounted upgrade licence. )
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Re: Uninstall Version 7 and revert to Version 6

Post by goodwin2 » 18 Feb 2021 10:30

This is where I am with setting up to uninstall V7 and reinstall V6.

In rechecking my backup files, I did not do any research work from my last small V6 backup on Dec. 22 until my install of V7 on Jan 11th. After Jan 11 there were only 5 backups in V7 - and I don't believe too much was added to the database during that time.

I now have 3 full copies of my Media files; one in a separate folder on my hard drive, one in my Seagate backup device and one on a thumb drive.

As I have full copies of both V5 and V6, it would suggest that I really don't need to use the V5 - is that the case?

I don't currently have the plugin Export Gedcom File - how and when would that work with deleting VH and reinstalling V6?

I'm definitely not doing any more with this effort before I get your feedback and further suggestions so everything will remain in its current status.

Thanks again for your help. I do want to try to resolve this fairly soon but there are other things that seem to get in the way of normal daily activity so I'm not getting as much done as I would like.

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Re: Uninstall Version 7 and revert to Version 6

Post by tatewise » 18 Feb 2021 12:25

Ok, so let's use a belt and braces approach.
We'll create an FH V6 compatible GEDCOM from your FH V7 Project and use that to revert your Project.
If that is unsuccessful then there is your Dec 22 Backup and your Media files backups we can use.

In these steps, I assume you are familiar with the FH Project folder structure and how to open C:\ProgramData\ folder.
  1. In your master Project, install and run the Export Gedcom File plugin in export mode: (FH6) Family Historian V6.2
    That will create a ...\Public\Export\<your project> FH6 UTF8.ged GEDCOM file.
  2. Uninstall FH V7.0 and delete the C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian customisations folder.
    This will delete all settings for Diagrams, Reports, Queries, Plugins, Fact Sets, Property Box tabs, etc, etc...
    If you are unsure what that will destroy then create a backup copy of that folder before deletion.
  3. Copy the ...\Public\Export\<your project> FH6 UTF8.ged to replace the project .fh_data GEDCOM file.
    It will need renaming to remove the FH6 UTF8 part of the filename.
  4. Install FH V6 from CD using its licence key, and update to V6.2.7 from the FH website Download Archive.
  5. Run FH V6 and in the File > Project Window use More Tasks > Samples > Reset Sample Project.
    That will reset the Family Historian Sample Project which should open OK.
  6. Now in the File > Project Window your master Project can be set as Default and should open successfully.
If the above is unsuccessful then we can use your backups...
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Re: Uninstall Version 7 and revert to Version 6

Post by goodwin2 » 19 Feb 2021 09:28

Thanks again for the list of actions I need to take. I'm going to be doing the project very slowly - sorry to be such a slow learner and not wanting to take on the whole thing in one sitting.

I've added the Export Gedcom file plugin in my FH V7. Will be checking through the list you outlined - a copy of it is on my desktop - and working on the next steps within the next few days. I'll likely be back to this topic - hopefully with a note that I've made it to V6 reinstalled and everything back to the original.

Hope all the FHUG folks are staying safe.
My best to all.

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Re: Uninstall Version 7 and revert to Version 6

Post by RJDoggett » 25 Feb 2021 04:40

I am another who updated to V7 but reverted to V6; in my case it was because of the changes to the Outline Descendant report.

I would like to use V7 as my primary version and export the information to V6 when I need the Outline Descendant report.

Is it possible to have V6 and V7 installed on the same computer and operate them independently? When installing V7, there was no option, that I saw, to allow a completely new installation.

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Re: Uninstall Version 7 and revert to Version 6

Post by ColeValleyGirl » 25 Feb 2021 07:47

RJDoggett wrote:
25 Feb 2021 04:40
Is it possible to have V6 and V7 installed on the same computer and operate them independently? When installing V7, there was no option, that I saw, to allow a completely new installation.
Not easily -- you either need to install one of them within a Virtual Machine, or on a separate PC.

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