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Large Tree Printing

Post by jsphillips » 29 Jan 2014 11:13

I have customised my chart of 1325 odd persons with variable box sizes + photos and different colours and different font sizes for different data.This is a Descendant chart with all the expanded buttons clicked on.
On inspecting the print preview it lists 90 pages of A4 missing page boundaries or 60 pages for overlapping.
How do I see the width and length in inches (or mm) of the chart for a continual print through an outside print company.
I looked at saving a PDF file on 1 page but when blown up it was not readable, being either too small or other too blurred fonts.
The print company said send a GED file but they only use Family Historian 4 and would not personalize it as I have done.
I just want a print on a single sheet as I have it on screen , size colours fonts data included etc.
Any suggestions welcome please.

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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by PeterR » 29 Jan 2014 11:41

  1. Rather than click on all the expansion buttons, you can select All for Generations Down in Diagram Options.
  2. You can use Diagram Statistics... in the Diagram menu to see the Diagram Size.
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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by tatewise » 29 Jan 2014 12:21

Don't worry about the one page PDF looking too small, because the print company will be able to enlarge it onto whatever size paper you want.
With the large number of boxes you have, it will naturally need to be a large sheet (or multiple sheets) for it to be legible.

When you say the font is too blurred it sounds as if you may have been fiddling with the Scaling or Fonts in an attempt to reduce the Diagram size, or fit it onto one A4 page.

I have just produced a Diagram at 100% Scaling with standard font Arial 8 pt and the following Diagram Statistics :
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I know this is not as many boxes as yours, but it is more pages.

Then I used Diagram > Save Diagram As > PDF File (.pdf) and accepted all the default settings including Adjust PDF File Page Size so that Diagram fits into One Page.

I can zoom into the PDF file x64 (6400%) and the text is still crisp in two different PDF viewers, and the pictures are OK at x8 (800%) zoom. The PDF file size is only 608 KB.
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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by Jane » 29 Jan 2014 14:00

I am not sure what printing company you have talked to, but have you tried My History, they use FH5 so you can send your Project and the Chart file to them for printing.
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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by tatewise » 29 Jan 2014 15:03

Yes, see Knowledge Base > Downloads & Links ~ Publishers that lists My History along with some others
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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by jsphillips » 30 Jan 2014 20:46

Thank you all
My print size is 224.52 inches by 21.75"
It says regardless of setting to one page PDF it shows 2 pages PDF ie 1 of 2
If I read my FH Manual 4 it says it is size restricted (I am on version 5.9)
My History only seems in fact to want to print 1 page PDF
It specifically says in a check box "Have you checked it is only 1 page PDF)
When I check the PDF file on the saved pdf it appears to have printed it all. Is this a bug in version 5.09 as it clearly says " printed 1of 2 pages " ??
Although I have over 1300 persons in file It is only producing as I wanted a Direct Ascendant file correctly with less persons
see attached size file ??
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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by jsphillips » 30 Jan 2014 20:48

By the way after reading statistics on file it says 224.52" and 21.75" but the final statistics for printing say larger than this ??
as attached...very confusing

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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by jsphillips » 30 Jan 2014 20:50

Also what statistics would the printer company take. Is it possible after sending the file they can review befor printing and confirm size and Cost !!
They appear to only have Family Historian 4 is this a problem when I have submitted form 5.09 ??

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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by Jane » 30 Jan 2014 22:13

Have you tried emailing or phoning them, I know they have been taking Project files, if needed for larger charts.

They definitely have V5, so it might just be they have forgotten to update the site.
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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by jsphillips » 30 Jan 2014 23:37

Thanks Jane
Will do ie telephone.
Confused does the restriction mentioned in FH4 manual for producing a 1 page pdf still apply to 5.09 ?
It was a width and length restriction !!

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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by PeterR » 30 Jan 2014 23:49

The FH Help page for PDF File Support includes:
Family Historian will create a PDF file with a large page size so that the diagram fits into a single page. At least, it will do that as long as the diagram is not wider or taller than 120 inches. If the diagram is bigger than that, Family Historian will be forced to spread the diagram over multiple pages within the PDF file.
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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by Jane » 31 Jan 2014 07:22

The reason is the PDF format it's self does not support pages which are any larger.
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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by tatewise » 31 Jan 2014 11:04

That FH Help goes on to say:
If you are determined that you want the diagram to fit on one page, you can adjust Scaling in the General tab of Diagram Options, to make the diagram smaller. If scaled down sufficiently, it may fit. If you do this, you may want to increase the dots-per-inch (DPI) setting for the Family Historian PDF 'printer' (that Properties button again) so that information will not be lost if a printer later scales the diagram back up for you. Alternatively, you can move branches around, or hide branches, or change the diagram orientation, or the layout, to make the diagram smaller. Click on Diagram Statistics to find out how big the diagram actually is.
So, the Diagram I experimented with above did occupy 3 pages.
I adjusted the Scaling down to 45% via Diagram > Layout & Scaling > Diagram Scale - I had to type in 45% because it is not on the drop list.
The Diagram Statistics then showed the Diagram Size was 56" x 126".
I used Diagram > Save Diagram As > PDF File (.pdf) and Adjust PDF File Page Size so that Diagram fits into One Page as before.
This first dialogue confirms the Diagram Width and Diagram Height.
After clicking OK the Print dialogue appears and confirms the number of Pages under Print range.
This dialogue also has the Properties button mentioned in the Help that lets you increase the Resolution (dpi) bottom right.
I left it at 300 and the resulting one page PDF still had very crisp characters at high zoom.

Regarding the print company, if you send them a PDF file then its derivation is irrelevant.
The FH version only matters if you send the Project GEDCOM & Chart File & Media photos
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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by Beardshaw » 31 Jan 2014 15:31

It can be confusing knowing how to save and send a chart for printing on wide format printers. At My History we have several worksheets available to help with chart printing and this thread has prompted us to put something online that may be of help. Basically we have created a PDF document that explains how to use a third party (free download) PDF creator to produce a PDF chart up to 5m long instead of the restricted 3.28m one supplied with the program. Here is a link to download our instruction with simple step-by-step instructions.

http://www.myhistory.co.uk/Family_Histo ... ver-5m.pdf

There are several other ways of send an even bigger chart to our chart printing service so I will post them here if it is of interest to anyone.

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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by tatewise » 02 Feb 2014 13:55

Thank you Tony that is really helpful.
I have updated our Knowledge Base > Single Page PDF of a Diagram advice.
Perhaps you would be kind enough to comment on it.
We would also be interested in your other ways of printing even bigger charts.
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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by jsphillips » 02 Feb 2014 15:07

Thanks Michael & Tony
Jane & Mike could not Calico pie put into place a new PDF creator similar or better than My History
I see there is Cute as well
If not cannot one of these existing large PDF creators be bundled into the FH suite ??

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Post by PeterR » 02 Feb 2014 16:15

The free PDFCreator (which can be used with FH as a virtual printer) appears to have a maximum width and height of 200 inches = 508 cm.
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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by tatewise » 02 Feb 2014 16:17

My History do NOT have a PDF Creator of their own.
If you check the step-by-step instruction that Tony offers, they recommend Cute PDF and PDF 995 that are two of the many long established free Knowledge Base > PDF Creators available.

I have the free Nitro Reader 3 installed that also has a PDF Creator Driver that can be configured for 200" x 200" printouts.

Yes, FH could be packaged with a different PDF Creator, but we are only talking about 128" x 128" versus 200" x 200", and that can be accommodated by a fairly small variation in Scaling, or an alternative PDF Creator chosen.

See the Knowledge Base > Single Page PDF of a Diagram advice that explains how easy it is to choose alternative PDF Creators.
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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by jsphillips » 02 Feb 2014 18:39

Thanks again
I see I have packaged with FH 5.09 NovaPDF 6
I see from their website that the latest version is 7.7 Build 394.
Will this make any difference and if so can Calico update software to install the latest PDF writer as I see it is some time since NovaPDF 6 has been out !!

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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by tatewise » 02 Feb 2014 19:04

In fact FH V5.0.9 is packaged with NovaPDF 7.7 Build 387.
Initially I had NovaPDF 6 installed with V4 alongside NovaPDF 7.7 installed with V5.

I suggest you use Control Panel > Programs & Features to uninstall NovaPDF 6 and then re-install FH V5.0.9.
Then NovaPDF 7.7 should get installed.
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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by jsphillips » 02 Feb 2014 19:43

Ok I have always followed the upgrade path from ver 4

I am a little reluctant to do what you propose as "If it works do not fix it"
Is there any real difference size wise "PDF ing" on latest version from version 6
Is there not an upgrade path from nova which will fix this old edition and update it ?

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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by jsphillips » 02 Feb 2014 19:48

Whoops
I must have installed separately years ago ago NovaPDF 6 as I have a shorcut to the exe file which shows Version 6
BUT I see that when I inspect the NovaPDF file properties I have on FH5.09 it points to Nova 7.7 Build 392
I must have installed several years ago for other matters.
Does this Matter ?

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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by jsphillips » 02 Feb 2014 19:55

I sent My History my file in the end scaled down to 59% (60% created 2 pages)
dpi 300 dpi
file size before scaling ie 100% was
no of boxes 197 number of individuals 197
pages 111 (37x3) Width 24 feet 8.9 Height 2 feet 0.8
Thanks Mike for all your help
I await My History checking on Monday to see if upscaled to 100% on printing all is OK.

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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by tatewise » 02 Feb 2014 20:18

Please use Start > Control Panel > Programs & Features and check all the versions of NovaPDF installed.
Note that the FH packaged version has the name Family Historian PDF (novaPDF 7.7 printer).
I suspect any you have purchased directly will have a name like NovaPDF 6 or NovaPDF 7.7.

In any Print or Print Setup window, check the Printer Name drop-down list.
How many Family Historian PDF &/or NovaPDF ... names are listed?
To get full version details, click the Properties button of each one, and select the About tab.

Also you will see the Family Historian PDF version says:
The novaPDF for SDK printer driver was installed as part of another application.
You should contact the author of this application for support.
If you want to create PDF files from other applications you need to purchase regular novaPDF licenses.
It sounds as if you have purchased a regular novaPDF licence and so may be able to download the latest build.

Since you have a very recent NovaPDF 7.7 build, and FH is using that version, there seems little point in keeping the obsolete NovaPDF 6 installed.
But as you says if it isn't broke why change.

I am not sure about the differences between V6 and V7.7 but I doubt if it matters much.
In any case, when FH saves the PDF and the Print window opens, you can choose whichever PDF Creator you want, including NovaPDF or Cute PDF or PDF 995 or any others that are installed.
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Re: Large Tree Printing

Post by LornaCraig » 02 Feb 2014 21:55

Mike,
For your information this is what I have listed under Control Panel > Programs & Features:
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I suspect this is also what jsphillips is seeing.

I note that there is no size in MB next to the 6.1 version. I have definitely never purchased a regular NovaPDF licence, so the 6.1 version can only be a left-over from FH v4 installation.

The Printer name dropdown list only shows one FamilyHistorian PDF printer, which is the 7.7 version.
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