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Grumble - Gender requirement

Postby E Wilcock » 15 May 2019 15:07

Looking through an archive catalogue I note that the author I am pursuing had a male cousin - surname not specified.

I already know the name of the shared grandfather and can enter an "unknown" child of that grandfather. But it seems that fh will not allow me to enter a grandchild (the cousin) unless I first specify the gender of the parent.

I have been trying and trying to do this with no success. Is there a work round?

I dont yet know the gender. There are other times, arent there in wills where one may be doesnt know the gender of the parent of a grandchild.

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Re: Grumble - Gender requirement

Postby tatewise » 15 May 2019 18:52

The explanation hinges on the GEDCOM specification of Family records.

The only relationships for the Family group are HUSB, WIFE, & CHIL.
So you see, once you require a Family group neither parent can be sexless.
Otherwise, FH does not know which of the HUSB or WIFE links to use.
It does not really mater, because as soon as you discover the gender it can be changed, and FH automatically switches the HUSB and WIFE link around.
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Re: Grumble - Gender requirement

Postby ColeValleyGirl » 16 May 2019 06:07

Mike, it does matter -- if you don't know the parent's gender, you shouldn't assign a misleading one, even if it can later be changed.

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Re: Grumble - Gender requirement

Postby Jane » 16 May 2019 06:55

Personally I use a Potential Grandparent fact, adding the Grandparent(s) as witnesses to the linked person, this is the same method I use when I have potential parents, but not enough proof to confirm them. That way there is no danger someone else will take the link as confirmed.
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Re: Grumble - Gender requirement

Postby E Wilcock » 16 May 2019 11:29

When I cant do something I want to do in fh I still look at Roots Magic where a person of unknown gender can indeed have a child. There is a warning icon of a potential data problem in RM. But that is all.

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Re: Grumble - Gender requirement

Postby tatewise » 16 May 2019 13:49

The point is that FH claims to be 100% compatible with GEDCOM and the specification requires Family HUSB and WIFE tags to link to Individual records with the correct Sex.
Other products often do not abide by the specification and that leads to the import and export problems we all know about.
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Re: Grumble - Gender requirement

Postby Ron Melby » 17 May 2019 03:51

they CLAIM to be, is the operative word here. They allow HUSB HUSB and WIFE WIFE FAM records, as a trivial example, not the standard. Mormons will probably never allow that real world situation in their standard.
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Re: Grumble - Gender requirement

Postby tatewise » 17 May 2019 09:49

Ron, I think that is an unfair dig at FH.
The FH Help page Exporting Same Sex Relationship Information explains the options very clearly, and includes a GEDCOM compatible option, although that is the one most unlikely to be recognised bu other products.
Faced with the need to represent same sex partnerships how would you implement it?

However, there are other (relatively minor) aspects that I agree are not 100% compatible.
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Re: Grumble - Gender requirement

Postby WilliamFrier » 17 May 2019 09:57

Surely you do know the mothers sex just not who she is. Would that not be an easy solution to accept that the child's mother is female, it's not that long ago that this would have to have been the case (technology and all that).
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Re: Grumble - Gender requirement

Postby tatewise » 17 May 2019 12:08

Yes, but you don't know that the mother is the daughter of the grandfather.
It might be that it's the father of the child who is the son of the grandfather.
Thus you don't know the gender of the grandfather's child who is parent of the grandchild.
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Re: Grumble - Gender requirement

Postby WilliamFrier » 18 May 2019 14:20

Point taken Mike, I was looking from a more simplistic view.
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Re: Grumble - Gender requirement

Postby WilliamFrier » 23 May 2019 10:49

Jane wrote:Personally I use a Potential Grandparent fact, adding the Grandparent(s) as witnesses to the linked person, this is the same method I use when I have potential parents, but not enough proof to confirm them. That way there is no danger someone else will take the link as confirmed.

Jane, I will have to get back to you later about how you do this. I know further down my tree there is a probable link between my father and mothers family, so technically they both have the same great, great, great grandparents. My problem lies with not being able to find a birth or marriage certificate for the female side and the census' started just after she was born, so the first census shows her as being just married. Both families stayed in the same small village and are the only families with their respective names, so I am quite sure of the fact I just can't prove it. This sounds just the ticket for how I can put the possible link in.
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