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Getting rid of Parallels. What do you use?

Post by KarenMG » 24 Apr 2018 14:50

I want to get rid of Parallels from my Mac, but not found a replacement for FH and looking for options other than parallels.
FH & Ancestral Sources are the only Windows programmes that I use.
What does everyone else who has a Mac and cant / wont give up FH use?
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Re: Getting rid of Parallels. What do you use?

Post by mjashby » 24 Apr 2018 15:33

I have used VirtualBox (with Windows 7/Windows 10) as a direct replacement for Parallels for the last 5 years.

Also use WINE to create a "standalone" Mac version of FH, with Wineskin or PlayOnMac as a 'front end' to manage WINE, both OpenSource apps. There's also the commercial option of Crossover if you want/need direct support.

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Post by Valkrider » 24 Apr 2018 18:07

I use VirtualBox on my iMac and Crossover on my Macbook Air. I have tried the other flavours of Wine and find the best for FH and AS to be Crossover with PlayOnMac second choice.

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Post by tatewise » 24 Apr 2018 19:43

For installation details see Knowledge Base > Family Historian on Mac, Linux, iOS, Android, etc that under Apple Mac has advice for Oracle VirtualBox and Crossover & PlayOnMac, etc.
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Re: Getting rid of Parallels. What do you use?

Post by KarenMG » 25 Apr 2018 09:20

Part of the reason that I am getting rid of Parallels is because I dont want have to have Windows installed, but also I find it very slow to start up etc etc (probably my machine being 5 years old could be a factor too), but I want as little software installed as possible in order to run these 2 programmes.
Until such a time as there is a Mac version of FH or I discover a suitable alternative, I am not ready to get rid of FH & AS yet.

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Post by KarenMG » 25 Apr 2018 09:31

Valkrider wrote:I use VirtualBox on my iMac and Crossover on my Macbook Air. I have tried the other flavours of Wine and find the best for FH and AS to be Crossover with PlayOnMac second choice.
Which version / licence do you have of CrossOver? I dont want to have to pay a yearly fee for it, but will the one version licence continue to work after a year?
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Post by mjashby » 25 Apr 2018 09:56

I'm sure Jim will reply, but the costs are detailed here: https://www.codeweavers.com/store

As you will see the license, although perpetual, only entitles the user to direct support and updates for a year, so, in effect, there is an annual cost to users if there are significant/necessary updates after 12 months.

In my experience with Macs (7+ years) any full version update to MacOS leads to the need for most Desktop software to be updated due to changes to the operating system, usually put down to increased/improved security measures. Any significant upgrade to WINE may also necessitate 'front-end WINE management' software, such as Crossover, needing to be updated/upgraded, if (like Crossover) they build specific Wine versions into their releases/updates to make it 'easier' for the end user.

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Post by Valkrider » 25 Apr 2018 10:07

KarenMG wrote:
Valkrider wrote:I use VirtualBox on my iMac and Crossover on my Macbook Air. I have tried the other flavours of Wine and find the best for FH and AS to be Crossover with PlayOnMac second choice.
Which version / licence do you have of CrossOver? I dont want to have to pay a yearly fee for it, but will the one version licence continue to work after a year?
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I have the current version which is now v17. I pay for the update each year, although I have never needed their support, the renewal IIRC is 50% of the full licence so for about £25 a year I always have the latest version. If you really don't want to pay for a licence fee then PlayOnMac is probably the one for you, it is easy to set up and run. I have not managed to get AS and FH working together in PlayOnMac where as they work at the same time together on Crossover. If this isn't important to you then PlayOnMac will suffice.

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Re: Getting rid of Parallels. What do you use?

Post by KarenMG » 25 Apr 2018 10:26

I have the current version which is now v17. I pay for the update each year, although I have never needed their support, the renewal IIRC is 50% of the full licence so for about £25 a year I always have the latest version. If you really don't want to pay for a licence fee then PlayOnMac is probably the one for you, it is easy to set up and run. I have not managed to get AS and FH working together in PlayOnMac where as they work at the same time together on Crossover. If this isn't important to you then PlayOnMac will suffice.
I would like them to work together, as AS is one of the reasons that I am not ready to give up FH

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Re: Getting rid of Parallels. What do you use?

Post by Tony Jones » 25 Apr 2018 11:23

I use WIne on my Macbook to get FH and AS - it's a near perfect solution for me, though I have some oddities as much down to screen size (13inch) as the implementation. I have found it breaks sometimes if wine falls out of sync with other changes (eg to xcode) when MacOs changes happen. This may all be down to my homespun configuration!

On my iMac I am happy with Parallels - it's a new machine and I have some other Windows 10 programmes I don't want to repurchase for the Mac.
Using an iMac via Parallels/Win 10 64-bit and a MacBook via WINE

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Re: Getting rid of Parallels. What do you use?

Post by KarenMG » 30 Apr 2018 12:06

I have installed the trial of CrossOver to test it before taking the plunge and deleting Parallels. I am having a few issues however with it opening the version that I am running of FH - v4tov5 upgrade, anyone else have this?
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Post by tatewise » 30 Apr 2018 12:22

Karen, checkout Knowledge Base > Family Historian V6 & Ancestral Sources V5 on Crossover, PlayOnLinux/Mac & Wine.

I suspect it did not occur to anyone that you were trying to use FH V5 that is 2.5 years out of date and not supported in the current version of Crossover, so you will need to upgrade to FH V6.

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Re: Getting rid of Parallels. What do you use?

Post by KarenMG » 30 Apr 2018 14:13

Thanks Mike for the clarification, so if I upgrade to V6, CrossOver will function fine for me?
I have updated my profile information, sorry for the confusion.

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Re: Getting rid of Parallels. What do you use?

Post by KarenMG » 30 Apr 2018 14:18

Just had a thought, why would V4 work in CrossOver but not V5?
I initially downloaded V4 forgetting the process of installing an upgrade (its been a while since Last installed FH on anything), and V4 opened with no issues at all.

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Re: Getting rid of Parallels. What do you use?

Post by Valkrider » 30 Apr 2018 18:03

Karen

IIRC there were several parts of V5 that did not work properly in Crossover at the time. That may have been V5 issues or it may have been the version of Crossover. (I wrote most of the KB on using FH under Crossover).

I can confirm that V6 does run fine under the current version of Crossover. One of the advantages of Crossover over the other flavours of Wine is that it is easy to upgrade FH. Under Wine Bottler, for instance, I had to create a new bottle for each new point version of FH.

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Re: Getting rid of Parallels. What do you use?

Post by KarenMG » 01 May 2018 10:38

Valkrider wrote:Karen

IIRC there were several parts of V5 that did not work properly in Crossover at the time. That may have been V5 issues or it may have been the version of Crossover. (I wrote most of the KB on using FH under Crossover).

I can confirm that V6 does run fine under the current version of Crossover. One of the advantages of Crossover over the other flavours of Wine is that it is easy to upgrade FH. Under Wine Bottler, for instance, I had to create a new bottle for each new point version of FH.
Thanks very much. I will upgrade FH and buy the paid version of CrossOver.

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